No, this is not rage bait. No, the clankers didn’t generate this.

I made a poll about this because in my real life I won’t stop talking about this, and a few people voted for yes. I mean, the wiki’s kinda dead anyway, so either way a lot of people probably won’t see this unless I share it, which I probably will.

Anyway.

What’s The Hot Take?

Tl; dr— Syndrome isn’t that good of a villain, you’re just blinded by nostalgia, and more people need to recognize the Screenslaver as being actively on par with Syndrome.

Hear me out, chat. For real.

001: Why Syndrome Sucks

Yes, Syndrome is an okay villain. He’s just.. okay.

I understand why that might be a crazy take. After all, he’s got merch, simps, a group of people who really feel bad for him. And I get it, I really do. He was just a kid, seemed neglected by his parents, with an unhealthy Mr. Incredible obsession, and it broke his little kid brain when Mr. Incredible rejected him. It is a pretty sad story. Yet it’s somewhat inspirational— he became an arms dealer, invented zero-point energy, swore to make Mr. Incredible suffer as he did, yayyy!

Only there’s one problem. He is incompetent as all hell.

Yes, Syndrome did get away with killing a lot of supers with his Omnidroids. He has henchmen and somehow became a rich arms dealer with his own freakin’ island, and that’s HUGE. But honestly? It almost doesn’t make sense how he did that. Heck, when we first meet the guy, his own zero-point energy malfunctions and he throws Mr. Incredible accidentally. Mr. Incredible is pretty beefy, but somehow Syndrome’s Big Bad Scanner STILL doesn’t catch him hiding behind A FREAKIN’ SKINNY SKELETON OF GAZERBEAM’S ROTTED CORPSE. And why wasn’t it wired to detect things like body heat and pulse signals? Wouldn’t Syndrome have fought supers before who were smart enough to play dead? He didn’t even THINK that maybe some super would pull something like that?

Then there’s the Mirage situation, and oh BOY, that one really gets me going. She’s arguably more competent than he is— she’s the one luring in the Supers, for crying out loud! She’s the one doing the dirty work of making them want to fight the Omnidroid! Yet despite the fact that she’s been his best asset, Buddy-boy BETRAYS her??

Look. I get it. It makes him more evilll or whatever. But did he SERIOUSLY think that cool, unflappable Mirage, who’s attracted to power like he is and is a very smart, sneaky, good manipulator, would just.. let it slide that he almost let her die? He knows Mirage has the ability to take him down if she wants. So why would he tick her off? It might make him look bad in front of Mr. Incredible or whatever, but if he intervened to save Mirage, she wouldn’t have defected, and maybe Syndrome would have had a ghost of a chance of actually winning the goal he set out to achieve. Shouldn’t he care more about his goal and how to get that than just looking tough or whatever in front of Mr. I? He literally says a few minutes later that he’s OUTGROWN Mr. Incredible! Genuinely pick a lane, Syndrome.

Then there’s his absolute failure to realize that the Omnidroid sees him as a threat. You’d think he’d have gone to some extremes to prevent that, but nooo, he doesn’t. He gets knocked out, because he’s a horrible coward, and is irrelevant for the rest of the movie until some shoehorned-in “fake babysitter” thing. And he can’t even do that right— he gets yanked into a turbine by his own cape, doesn’t problem-solve at all (he could have unclip the cape, zero-point busted the turbine) and dies in a gruesome but kinda funny death, and proceeds to prove that Edna Mode is basically god. No capes indeed!

Yes, he’s hilarious to watch— the stick-up hair, the monologuing, the unhinged fanboy aesthetic. But despite being smart enough to make the Omnidroids and hire all these people, he isn’t smart enough to keep them on his side, stop the Omnidroids from killing him, and seems less like a villain and more like a child throwing a tantrum. Sure, he works as a villain, but there are ways he could have been WAY better. Yet I see so many people acting as if Syndrome is the greatest Pixar villain who ever lived and completely ignoring the fact that there’s actually a chance he could have won if he’d stopped to think about his plan for more than five seconds. Come on, people.

002: I Can Answer My Own Questions- And Prove Your Hypocrisy

Now, above I’d asked why Syndrome didn’t bother to make his scanner detect things like vitals. Well, I hear the skeptic from the balcony say, it’s because he was so arrogant he genuinely thought all the supers would die and not bother fighting back! Okay. That makes sense. Then there’s the whole “risking Mirage’s life” thing— maybe he did genuinely think Bob wouldn’t have it in him to actually hurt her, and did underestimate her intelligence because he was so wrapped up in himself. Okay. That makes sense. And as for him acting like a stubborn child— that’s the point! He was slighted as a kid, and never grew up beyond that because he was so traumatized! It makes sense for his character and story!!!

So what I’m hearing here is that Syndrome’s missteps, his logic fails, all are okay because it fits his story and personality. That’s great!

So how come when Evelyn Deavor has missteps and logic fails, everyone’s yelling about what a horrible character she is?

Yes, Evelyn’s parents were killed BECAUSE Supers were made illegal, yet she chooses to take out her anger on the Supers instead. Woooah, that doesn’t make sense! What a stupid villain! Yes, Buddy is a villain.. but only because his child-brain misunderstood what happened between him and his idol and he never bothered to learn any more or consider any alternatives! WHAT AN AMAZING BRILLIANT CHARACTER!!

Maybe that’s embellished, a little, but that’s how y’all sound to me. If you’re going to act like Buddy’s discrepancies elevate his character, maybe try to apply that logic to Evelyn too instead of instantly deciding to hate her?

003: Shouldn’t The Better Villain Be The One Closer To Achieving Their Goal?

Seriously, guys. Yes, Evelyn has faulty logic— but just like Syndrome, there’s a valid reason for that. Evelyn was probably quite young when her parents died, and like Buddy, who irrationalizes Mr. Incredible’s betrayal and builds a villain career off of the fact that he misunderstood and thought that Mr. Incredible was doing it just to be a jerk (in his twisted childhood memories, he doesn’t even remember Bomb Voyage being there at all during the rejection), she builds a villain career of of the fact that she took it to mean that it all happened because her parents, despite being rich, were so overreliant on supers in the first place that they didn’t bother to have guards or weapons or anything but a superhero hotline (which is kind of a valid statement, but to be fair, the Deavor parents seemed a lot like Winston, seeing the best in people). Despite the fact that supers already WERE illegal, Evelyn’s parents definitely did not know that, and that’s why they called, and them not knowing cost them their life. That’s why Evelyn’s mad. And yes, she probably could have blamed the robbers themselves, or blamed the system for setting up the idea that superheroes are the saviors instead of the superheroes themselves— but this demonstrates that Evelyn, like Buddy, has a twisted view of what happened and built villainy off of that, and not the truth. It’s a way she’s actually similar to Syndrome, a detail that everyone acts like is awesome when it comes to Syndrome despite it basically being the same detail. C’mon, guys.

Evelyn also didn’t have to do her plan the way she did— she could have quietly hypnotized all the politicians to get them to vote against supers, but didn’t. That’s another way I’ve heard her plan being insulted. So she could have done that.. just like how Syndrome could have taken extra steps to stop his bot from getting too smart, or build a scanner that’s more useful? If you’re going to complain about Evelyn’s plan like that, complain about Buddy’s, too— it’s only fair.

But other than all that, Evelyn.. does actually come closer to Buddy at achieving her goal. Her hypnotized super He-lectrix electrocuted Violet’s force-field, making it turn in on itself, nearly crushing her AND her little brothers— that’s closer than Syndrome ever personally got to stopping the kids. And yeah, you could argue that it doesn’t count as personally being Evelyn since it’s a hypnotized patsy, but while Syndrome’s guards, who gave chase to Violet and Dash, were only following orders, Evelyn’s hypnosis is different than that. She doesn’t need to speak or anything— the hypnotized people just fell in line. She rarely was shown giving them orders; they just fulfilled her will as if she was working through them. And she was— Evelyn even says it herself. She was literally fighting Helen THROUGH the pizza guy— it’s her on the other end, always has been. Evelyn also is closer to achieving her goal because the yacht is literally super close to slamming into the city even after the supers are freed, and even so, the supes are gonna look pretty bad when it hits. Evelyn herself even almost escapes scot-free, unlike our friend Syndrome whose plan to be a hero blew up in his face before his escape attempt failed so catastrophically he ended up dead.

Evelyn doesn’t really have the raw presence of Syndrome. She’s more lucid, sarcastic, and spends half the movie chillin’ while a pizza guy gives a fake reason and a fake motive through a monologue. She doesn’t have too much screen time as the villain. Yeah, that kinda makes it hard for people to like her as a villain, but it’s impressive because she was pulling the strings quietly the whole time— her hypnotized pizza guy convinced everyone, even the audience, that he was the Screenslaver because he’s tired of people being compliant to their screens (it’s even worked a little too well— some people in real life genuinely think the pizza guy had a better reason than Evelyn to be the villain, which is really funny because he was annoyed with the system, but everything else he said was perfectly scripted, and he probably didn’t even feel that way at all; Evelyn was in control since moment one). But Evelyn comes closer to winning. She even successfully manipulates Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl, Frozone, and somehow she got all those other would-be supers to trust her. She’s so trustworthy that Winston believes her first-go when she says the goggles are night-vision-mask-THINGS.. and makes everything seem so alright that people barely noticed how out of it and zombified the supers actually are.

004: The Verdict

Yes, Syndrome may be more fun to watch, but he comes closer to failing. He’s got more of a persona, but is kind of overcompensating for his own failures. Evelyn has failures too, duh, but she comes closer to winning. Syndrome being nigh-genocidal is terrifying, but so is a brainwasher so beloved that people trust her just like that. And while Syndrome got himself killed, Evelyn Deavor is still out there, in jail, probably still mad, for Incredibles 3.

So yeah. Can we please get some more respect on Evelyn Deavor’s name here? And no, I didn’t bring up Syndrome’s failures just to make him look bad in comparison— both villains make plenty of stupid choices, believe me. I’m just saying that if everyone’s going to bring up Evelyn’s story discrepancies, someone ought to bring up Buddy’s. (Because maybe they aren’t discrepancies. Maybe, like Buddy, Evelyn was actually written that way on purpose to show her twisted worldview.)

Oh and daily reminder, no capes.

Incredibles 2 is peak imo. Go watch it <3

No, this is not rage bait. No, the clankers didn’t generate this.

I made a poll about this because in my real life I won’t stop talking about this, and a few people voted for yes. I mean, the wiki’s kinda dead anyway, so either way a lot of people probably won’t see this unless I share it, which I probably will.

Anyway.

What’s The Hot Take?

Tl; dr— Syndrome isn’t that good of a villain, you’re just blinded by nostalgia, and more people need to recognize the Screenslaver as being actively on par with Syndrome.

Hear me out, chat. For real.

001: Why Syndrome Sucks

Yes, Syndrome is an okay villain. He’s just.. okay.

I understand why that might be a crazy take. After all, he’s got merch, simps, a group of people who really feel bad for him. And I get it, I really do. He was just a kid, seemed neglected by his parents, with an unhealthy Mr. Incredible obsession, and it broke his little kid brain when Mr. Incredible rejected him. It is a pretty sad story. Yet it’s somewhat inspirational— he became an arms dealer, invented zero-point energy, swore to make Mr. Incredible suffer as he did, yayyy!

Only there’s one problem. He is incompetent as all hell.

Yes, Syndrome did get away with killing a lot of supers with his Omnidroids. He has henchmen and somehow became a rich arms dealer with his own freakin’ island, and that’s HUGE. But honestly? It almost doesn’t make sense how he did that. Heck, when we first meet the guy, his own zero-point energy malfunctions and he throws Mr. Incredible accidentally. Mr. Incredible is pretty beefy, but somehow Syndrome’s Big Bad Scanner STILL doesn’t catch him hiding behind A FREAKIN’ SKINNY SKELETON OF GAZERBEAM’S ROTTED CORPSE. And why wasn’t it wired to detect things like body heat and pulse signals? Wouldn’t Syndrome have fought supers before who were smart enough to play dead? He didn’t even THINK that maybe some super would pull something like that?

Then there’s the Mirage situation, and oh BOY, that one really gets me going. She’s arguably more competent than he is— she’s the one luring in the Supers, for crying out loud! She’s the one doing the dirty work of making them want to fight the Omnidroid! Yet despite the fact that she’s been his best asset, Buddy-boy BETRAYS her??

Look. I get it. It makes him more evilll or whatever. But did he SERIOUSLY think that cool, unflappable Mirage, who’s attracted to power like he is and is a very smart, sneaky, good manipulator, would just.. let it slide that he almost let her die? He knows Mirage has the ability to take him down if she wants. So why would he tick her off? It might make him look bad in front of Mr. Incredible or whatever, but if he intervened to save Mirage, she wouldn’t have defected, and maybe Syndrome would have had a ghost of a chance of actually winning the goal he set out to achieve. Shouldn’t he care more about his goal and how to get that than just looking tough or whatever in front of Mr. I? He literally says a few minutes later that he’s OUTGROWN Mr. Incredible! Genuinely pick a lane, Syndrome.

Then there’s his absolute failure to realize that the Omnidroid sees him as a threat. You’d think he’d have gone to some extremes to prevent that, but nooo, he doesn’t. He gets knocked out, because he’s a horrible coward, and is irrelevant for the rest of the movie until some shoehorned-in “fake babysitter” thing. And he can’t even do that right— he gets yanked into a turbine by his own cape, doesn’t problem-solve at all (he could have unclip the cape, zero-point busted the turbine) and dies in a gruesome but kinda funny death, and proceeds to prove that Edna Mode is basically god. No capes indeed!

Yes, he’s hilarious to watch— the stick-up hair, the monologuing, the unhinged fanboy aesthetic. But despite being smart enough to make the Omnidroids and hire all these people, he isn’t smart enough to keep them on his side, stop the Omnidroids from killing him, and seems less like a villain and more like a child throwing a tantrum. Sure, he works as a villain, but there are ways he could have been WAY better. Yet I see so many people acting as if Syndrome is the greatest Pixar villain who ever lived and completely ignoring the fact that there’s actually a chance he could have won if he’d stopped to think about his plan for more than five seconds. Come on, people.

002: I Can Answer My Own Questions- And Prove Your Hypocrisy

Now, above I’d asked why Syndrome didn’t bother to make his scanner detect things like vitals. Well, I hear the skeptic from the balcony say, it’s because he was so arrogant he genuinely thought all the supers would die and not bother fighting back! Okay. That makes sense. Then there’s the whole “risking Mirage’s life” thing— maybe he did genuinely think Bob wouldn’t have it in him to actually hurt her, and did underestimate her intelligence because he was so wrapped up in himself. Okay. That makes sense. And as for him acting like a stubborn child— that’s the point! He was slighted as a kid, and never grew up beyond that because he was so traumatized! It makes sense for his character and story!!!

So what I’m hearing here is that Syndrome’s missteps, his logic fails, all are okay because it fits his story and personality. That’s great!

So how come when Evelyn Deavor has missteps and logic fails, everyone’s yelling about what a horrible character she is?

Yes, Evelyn’s parents were killed BECAUSE Supers were made illegal, yet she chooses to take out her anger on the Supers instead. Woooah, that doesn’t make sense! What a stupid villain! Yes, Buddy is a villain.. but only because his child-brain misunderstood what happened between him and his idol and he never bothered to learn any more or consider any alternatives! WHAT AN AMAZING BRILLIANT CHARACTER!!

Maybe that’s embellished, a little, but that’s how y’all sound to me. If you’re going to act like Buddy’s discrepancies elevate his character, maybe try to apply that logic to Evelyn too instead of instantly deciding to hate her?

003: Shouldn’t The Better Villain Be The One Closer To Achieving Their Goal?

Seriously, guys. Yes, Evelyn has faulty logic— but just like Syndrome, there’s a valid reason for that. Evelyn was probably quite young when her parents died, and like Buddy, who irrationalizes Mr. Incredible’s betrayal and builds a villain career off of the fact that he misunderstood and thought that Mr. Incredible was doing it just to be a jerk (in his twisted childhood memories, he doesn’t even remember Bomb Voyage being there at all during the rejection), she builds a villain career of of the fact that she took it to mean that it all happened because her parents, despite being rich, were so overreliant on supers in the first place that they didn’t bother to have guards or weapons or anything but a superhero hotline (which is kind of a valid statement, but to be fair, the Deavor parents seemed a lot like Winston, seeing the best in people). Despite the fact that supers already WERE illegal, Evelyn’s parents definitely did not know that, and that’s why they called, and them not knowing cost them their life. That’s why Evelyn’s mad. And yes, she probably could have blamed the robbers themselves, or blamed the system for setting up the idea that superheroes are the saviors instead of the superheroes themselves— but this demonstrates that Evelyn, like Buddy, has a twisted view of what happened and built villainy off of that, and not the truth. It’s a way she’s actually similar to Syndrome, a detail that everyone acts like is awesome when it comes to Syndrome despite it basically being the same detail. C’mon, guys.

Evelyn also didn’t have to do her plan the way she did— she could have quietly hypnotized all the politicians to get them to vote against supers, but didn’t. That’s another way I’ve heard her plan being insulted. So she could have done that.. just like how Syndrome could have taken extra steps to stop his bot from getting too smart, or build a scanner that’s more useful? If you’re going to complain about Evelyn’s plan like that, complain about Buddy’s, too— it’s only fair.

But other than all that, Evelyn.. does actually come closer to Buddy at achieving her goal. Her hypnotized super He-lectrix electrocuted Violet’s force-field, making it turn in on itself, nearly crushing her AND her little brothers— that’s closer than Syndrome ever personally got to stopping the kids. And yeah, you could argue that it doesn’t count as personally being Evelyn since it’s a hypnotized patsy, but while Syndrome’s guards, who gave chase to Violet and Dash, were only following orders, Evelyn’s hypnosis is different than that. She doesn’t need to speak or anything— the hypnotized people just fell in line. She rarely was shown giving them orders; they just fulfilled her will as if she was working through them. And she was— Evelyn even says it herself. She was literally fighting Helen THROUGH the pizza guy— it’s her on the other end, always has been. Evelyn also is closer to achieving her goal because the yacht is literally super close to slamming into the city even after the supers are freed, and even so, the supes are gonna look pretty bad when it hits. Evelyn herself even almost escapes scot-free, unlike our friend Syndrome whose plan to be a hero blew up in his face before his escape attempt failed so catastrophically he ended up dead.

Evelyn doesn’t really have the raw presence of Syndrome. She’s more lucid, sarcastic, and spends half the movie chillin’ while a pizza guy gives a fake reason and a fake motive through a monologue. She doesn’t have too much screen time as the villain. Yeah, that kinda makes it hard for people to like her as a villain, but it’s impressive because she was pulling the strings quietly the whole time— her hypnotized pizza guy convinced everyone, even the audience, that he was the Screenslaver because he’s tired of people being compliant to their screens (it’s even worked a little too well— some people in real life genuinely think the pizza guy had a better reason than Evelyn to be the villain, which is really funny because he was annoyed with the system, but everything else he said was perfectly scripted, and he probably didn’t even feel that way at all; Evelyn was in control since moment one). But Evelyn comes closer to winning. She even successfully manipulates Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl, Frozone, and somehow she got all those other would-be supers to trust her. She’s so trustworthy that Winston believes her first-go when she says the goggles are night-vision-mask-THINGS.. and makes everything seem so alright that people barely noticed how out of it and zombified the supers actually are.

004: The Verdict

Yes, Syndrome may be more fun to watch, but he comes closer to failing. He’s got more of a persona, but is kind of overcompensating for his own failures. Evelyn has failures too, duh, but she comes closer to winning. Syndrome being nigh-genocidal is terrifying, but so is a brainwasher so beloved that people trust her just like that. And while Syndrome got himself killed, Evelyn Deavor is still out there, in jail, probably still mad, for Incredibles 3.

So yeah. Can we please get some more respect on Evelyn Deavor’s name here? And no, I didn’t bring up Syndrome’s failures just to make him look bad in comparison— both villains make plenty of stupid choices, believe me. I’m just saying that if everyone’s going to bring up Evelyn’s story discrepancies, someone ought to bring up Buddy’s. (Because maybe they aren’t discrepancies. Maybe, like Buddy, Evelyn was actually written that way on purpose to show her twisted worldview.)

Oh and daily reminder, no capes.

Incredibles 2 is peak imo. Go watch it <3

I was just wondering why they were still using rotary dial phones if it was supposed to be 2004, but it turns out I was wrong and the story takes place in 1962. Did you think so too? I think many people might have been mistaken because Syndrome's technology seemed very forward-thinking, and in reality, people probably didn't have such devices in the 1960s, right? Although the USA in the 1960s might have looked modern compared to Poland, for example. I'm from Poland, and in the 1960s, Poland was poor because of communism, and Polish people certainly didn't have the nice buildings Americans had back then, right?

When Mirage was born on orphanage, she was shy and quiet kid, but one day, she meets supers were guardian angels who protect this world. At early age 20, she worked for NSA.

She had idolized supers when she was younger, but upon discovering the supers' corruption, she began to view all supers with skepticism. This belief led her to partner with Syndrome, with the goal of capturing supers to further Syndrome's inventions. However, her meeting with Mr. Incredible showed her that not all supers were arrogant and selfish; he had a hero's heart.

When Mirage learned of Syndrome's true nature, which was far more heinous than any corrupt hero, she turned against him and joined the Parr family. This change of heart came from her realization that some supers were genuinely heroic.

1. Zombie Incredible-a Zombified Mr Incredible

2. I-12: An evil clone of Mr Incredible Similar to X-24 from Logan.

3. Incrediborg-a Cyborg Mr. Incredible

4. Teen Incredible- a Young Mr Incredible from an Alternative Universe.

Her name is Sparklight. She is strong willed and idealist who care about civilians and likes helping them. She has distaste with fame because it's not heroic aspect of supers.

It's a pity that Syndrome didn't sing any songs, right? It would fit his character to sing a song about him being better than everyone, about him defeating everyone, and about his plan being the best. Am I right?

P.S. In general, it's a pity that almost no one has ever sung in a Pixar film, but let's skip that.

I asked Perk if he's gonna write appearances on Supers' pages, but he's said he's busy right now.

So I need someone to write Supers' appearances on their pages, please.

when discussing Voyd vs omnidroids why does basically no one talk about the fact that Voyd could just spawn a few portals on the omnidroid's vital parts (eg, claws, wheels for v.x1, etc) and just close the portal when the object is halfway through? just a thought

The second i mentioned, has found out about Syndrome's plans, and wrote KRONOS with his laser eyes, in case if someone else sees it. Bob has seen the written word and realized that it was the password.

I don't want it to recton the second movie, i loved it so much, and it made me sad that Pixar did this with Cars 3 (a reason why i disliked that movie).